My desk these days…

“Thanks, King.”

Sports fans love to disagree and debate over teams or individual athletes’ stats, records, and accomplishments. Watch a few minutes of any sports talk show, or listen to a post-game podcast, and you’ll get just a hint of what I’m talking about. Better yet, just hang out in a sports bar during a game. I touched on this topic a couple weeks ago in an article about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. For years, I’ve listened to (and participated in) various versions of this age-old activity. As a former competitive swimmer, I was pretty awed by Mark Spitz in the early 70s. He was frequently referred to as the best Olympic swimmer of all time; several years later, Michael Phelps figuratively swam up and said, ‘Hold my beer…’.

While I enjoy the old, “Top 20 (insert position, team, or game) of all time” debates, there is one version of this I enjoy most:

The Greatest Athlete of All Time

James Francis Thorpe was born in the late 1880s, a member of the Sac and Fox Indian Nation in what would later become the state of Oklahoma. He was one of 11 kids. As often happened in those days, several didn’t survive to adulthood. His twin brother Charlie died at age 9. At 16, Jim went

Mandatory Credit: Photo by Everett/Shutterstock (10283755a)
Jim Thorpe joined the Canton Bulldogs football team in 1915. While with the team, they won three American Professional Football Association championships.
Historical Collection

to the Carlyle Indian School in Pennsylvania. There, he began working with his track (and later, football) coach, Glenn “Pop” Warner.

His athletic resume is so utterly impressive, I could not begin to do it justice. David Maraniss wrote “Path Lit by Lightning: The Life of Jim Thorpe.” It’s an excellent biography. It’s close to 700 pages long; it would be an insult to pretend that this little anecdote is a scholarly study of Thorpe’s accomplishments. However, I’m not above condensing it down to a paragraph or two.

Path Lit by Lightning – The Life of Jim Thorpe

Thorpe was a 3-time All American, and a 5-sport college athlete. He took Gold in the 1912 Olympic Games in both the Pentathlon and Decathlon. From 1915 to 1928, he played for 7 professional football teams. He also served as the newly formed NFL’s first president in 1920. From 1913 to 1919, he played professional baseball. And, in 1927 and 1928, he played professional basketball. (Yes, you read that timeline correctly – those professional careers overlap.) Oh, and by the way, he also COACHED.

There are a lot of stories and claims about him. While not entirely verifiable, they make for good conversation. When Gustaf V (King of Sweden) crowned him with a laurel wreath in the 1912 Olympic games, he said, “Sir, you are the greatest athlete in all the world.” Jim purportedly replied, “Thanks, King.”

“Thanks, King.”

His life wasn’t especially easy, though. His Olympic status was challenged because he (along with other students at his school) had played “semi-professional baseball” for a couple summers. By today’s definitions, it would be considered a scholarship or a stipend, and he was encouraged to do so by his coaches. But it served as an opportunity for jealous rivals of the time to get one over on him. He also struggled with alcoholism later in life. And he was generous to a fault. Even when down on his own luck, he was known to give freely to others. He traveled a lot in his later years, going from town to town, making celebrity appearances, working as an extra in movies, and doing odd jobs.

It is during that period that his story becomes more personal to me. In 1945, he and his wife stayed for a couple of weeks at a property that my grandfather owned. Jim was a big, likable guy, and he made quite an impression on my dad (who was about 5 at the time.) My three brothers and I grew up hearing all about Jim Thorpe.

My dad’s first brush with greatness.

 

March 28th was the anniversary of Jim Thorpe’s passing in 1953. Jim was 65 years old.

So, who’s my pick of the most prolific athlete of all time? In case you haven’t guessed, I’m with old King Gustaf on this one.

-Toph

Hall Pass

I was listening to the radio while running errands this morning and heard a DJ talking about the Guess Who being left out of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, yet again.  It leaves me scratching my head, trying to Guess WHY. (Dumb dad joke? I accept that.)

I like the idea of a hall of fame. People get to debate and agree on inductees. Who’s the top quarterback ever? Tom Brady gets the most support. Older football fans sometimes side with players from days past – Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw, or Johnny Unitas get tossed about – often citing that the game was different then. An excellent point. Even Joe Montana himself weighed in. In a 2023 interview for Men’s Health magazine, he identified Dan Marino as better than either himself or Brady. He differentiates between “greatest” and “best”; the first being focused on success and team results, and the other on individual talent. An interesting point. But I’m going off topic.

 

Will the real G.O.A.T. please stand up?

 

Thank you.

 

 

 

 

 

I did some research on what different organizations use to identify excellence.

The Pro Football Hall of Fame’s mission statement:

Honor the heroes of the game, preserve its history, promote its values, and celebrate excellence everywhere.”

Seems pretty straight forward, right?

How about other sports? From the National Baseball Hall of Fame:

Baseball connects us: Generation to generation, fan to fan and rival to rival. Experience its history and live its story.”

OK. Got it. And here’s NASCAR’s take:

The goal of the facility is to honor NASCAR icons and create an enduring tribute to the drivers, crew members, team owners, and others that have impacted the sport in the past, present and future.”

Again, those make sense to me. There’s even a U.S. Astronauts Hall of Fame:

“Envisioned as a place where American astronauts are remembered and honored, visitors can learn about the lives of space heroes through compelling displays.”

Wow – I truly understand why it exists. How about Country Music?

The Country Music Hall of Fame and Museum collects, preserves, and interprets the evolving history and traditions of country music.” 

Yep. Nailed it!

And how about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame’s mission statement?

BORN FROM THE COLLISION OF RHYTHM & BLUES, COUNTRY, AND GOSPEL, ROCK & ROLL IS A SPIRIT THAT IS INCLUSIVE AND EVER-CHANGING. THE ROCK & ROLL HALL OF FAME CELEBRATES THE SOUND OF YOUTH CULTURE AND HONORS THE ARTISTS WHOSE MUSIC CONNECTS US ALL.”

Now, that one seems odd. I mean, they are ALL different, but that one in particular sets itself apart. It mentions Rock and Roll – twice. But it starts by focusing on the origins of the genre; “the collision of rhythm and blues, country, and gospel,” then hints at a platform for something from the human resources department, “a spirit that is inclusive and ever-changing.” Hmm. Then it ends with (as Monty Python would say,) something completely different – the “sound of youth culture.” This was supposed to be a music hall of fame. Right?

As I’m reading this, I’m suspecting that this statement may have been written more recently, as a response to some of the criticism they have received over the years. There have been complaints about a bias against harder rock like Motorhead, Scorpions and Iron Maiden. They’ve also omitted classic rock acts like The Guess Who, Bad Company, Boston, and Jethro Tull. Those would be pretty obvious entries for most rock aficionados.

All the while, they HAVE inducted rap and hip-hop artists such as Public Enemy, LL Cool J, Jay-Z, Notorious B.I.G, 2Pac, Eminem and Run-D.M.C. (At least Run-D.M.C. did a cover song that collaborated with Aerosmith.)

The Hall has also included pop acts like Madonna, Whitney Houston, Cindi Lauper, and Michael Jackson, as well as disco artists The Bee Gees and ABBA. Finally, there have been a number of country artists like Johnny Cash, Hank Williams, Willie Nelson, Chet Atkins, and Dolly Parton.

I think the most significant part of its mission statement is the “ever changing” line. As in, ‘Our reasons for picking who belongs here and why are ever-changing.’

I can appreciate the myriad genres of music out there.  I like many of them.  And they all deserve recognition for their accomplishments.  Larry Csonka is my favorite football player ever.  Does he belong in the National Baseball Hall of Fame?  No. He has never been a pro baseball icon. I also love Led Zeppelin.  Have they significantly influenced country music?  Again, no. 

I have never been accused of following popular trends. This blog is about the many things that haven’t changed for me! The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame’s definitions are changing more and more.

As it happens, my interest in The Hall is changing as well. It is less and less.

-Toph